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• Hi, I’m a descendant of William Holland Thomas and am writing a new book about him. DNA testing confirms that he had children with Catherine Hyde (b. 1819, Macon? Co. NC – d.1896 Swain Co). William Pendleton Hyde (and possibly his sister Eliza Hyde) are Will Thomas’s children.

  Catherine later married Michael Cline and had two children with him. If any of you are descended from Catherine Hyde, I’d love to be in touch. I’m including all his relationships and children in the book and would love to hear any family histories or stories.

  Thanks,
  Elizabeth Thomas

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  • I am a descent of Elizabeth Hyde and Holloman Battle, I had lived on the Big Island of Hawaii for 13 years so the name Kanaka intrigued me. When I dug a little deeper I found that Little Carpenter’s wife Nianne Ollie named one of her Children Kanaka and there were possible two Hawaiians that were simple confused as Black men. As I came up with polynesian DNA, I am assuming that is where it came from and Kanaka was a family name for those that were the children of the Polynesians…

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    • KA-NA-KA was a Cherokee transliteration of Catherine.

      Like Mele Kalikimaka is Merry Christmas in Hawaiian.

      Sounds do not exist in one language so those sounds are replaced with what works phonetically and follows the rules of grammar in the home language.

      Hope helpful!

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      • A simple google search shows the dictionary meaning of Kanaka to be – A Native Hawaiian or a person of Hawaiian descent..
        Catherine was the “Christian” name of Catherine Hyde. She was also called Kanaka. When whites had trouble pronouncing Hawaiian names they called them Kanaka which means native Hawaiian. Nionne Ollie, wife of Little Carpenter Chief Attakullakulla, named her son OOkanaka. Black colored aboriginal Hawaiian’s were called Kanaka. It is Hawaiian word meaning Native Hawaiian.

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        • Hi Anne,

          Again, these are two different languages and peoples. Ka-na-ka in Cherokee is Catherine.

          Like Mele Kalikimaka is Merry Christmas in Hawaiian.

          There is no Catherine in Cherokee and no Merry Christmas in ‘Oiwi language.

          These are efforts to make phonics in existing language fit a non-Native word and are otherwise unconnected.

          Her sister was Su-sa, for Susannah.

          Elizabeth is Li-si.

          Hyde is Ga-ne-ga, a literal translation for hide.

          Leatherwood is Ga-ne-ga-ada, a literal translation for Leather (hide) and wood.

          Ka-na-ka and Su-sa and Li-si are all phonetic efforts in existing Cherokee language to amalgamate the English.

          Beretania St. in Honolulu was a similar attempt at Britain or British in ‘oiwi language.

          This happens all over the world in translation. Some are literal and some are sonic.

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          • Kanaka for ‘Oiwi people is human being. Real or principal people for Cherokee is yun-wiya, of ani-yun-wiya (vs kanaka). ᎠᏂᏴᏫᏯ

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  • I am a descent of Elizabeth Hyde and Holloman Battle, I had lived on the Big Island of Hawaii for 13 years so the name Kanaka intrigued me. When I dug a little deeper I found that Little Carpenter’s wife Nianne Ollie named one of her Children Kanaka and there were possible two Hawaiians that were simple confused as Black men. As I came up with polynesian DNA, I am assuming that is where it came from and Kanaka was a family name for those that were the children of the Polynesians… It is said the Betsy Walker was descended from Moytoy so perhaps Nonnie Ollie was Hawaiian and confused for black… https://www.blackindiansunited5tribesembassy.org/fast-facts.html

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    • Anne – I’m going to reply to both of your posts. “Kanaka” is a word that has different meanings in at least four languages, Hawaiian, Cherokee, Japanese, Finnish, and possibly others, because the word is a phonetic transcription of sound. There’s not a cultural or genetic relationship between the Eastern Band of Cherokee and Native Hawaiians. I will need to speak with a few Cherokee acquaintances to confirm, but I seem to recall that the Cherokee meaning of Kanaka is along the lines of “precious” or “golden”. If anyone knows for sure, please feel free to respond. There’s no confirmed last name on paper for the wife of Holloman Battle of North Carolina, although I’d be happy to look at what you have. As far as your DNA test, Holloman Battle and Elizabeth Unknown are not the source of the DNA sequence that your testing company is currently describing as “Polynesian”. Different testing companies use different criteria to arrive at their “ethnicity percentage” results. The thing about DNA is that there is no ethnicity, this a social construct that’s part of the marketing to make the tests more appealing. What most companies do is make inferences from a tiny number of DNA markers based loosely on the geographic locations of the paper trails and current locations of their subscriber database. What I’ve said so far probably seems like I’m not a proponent of DNA testing, but that’s not the case. Understanding the basics of how DNA testing works is critical to us getting past a lot of misuse of science and white supremacist nonsense.

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  • Just discovered my link to William Holland Thomas. Catherine’s daughter, Nancy Julette Hyde b.1840, married Thomas Albert Wiggins, their daughter, Julia Roxana Wiggins married James Thomas Keener, my Great Grandfather.

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• Is there any documentation that Charles Hyde died in 1810 in Hyde County,NC.?

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  • Craig, there’s no documentation that I’m aware of for Charles Hyde dying in Hyde County, SC in 1810. Oddly enough, there were no Hydes living in Hyde County, NC in 1810 as far as I know. For whatever reason, Hydes are rare in early Hyde county. The county itself was named for Edward Hyde, 1667 – 1712, who served as the 1st Governor of NC from Jan-Sept 1712. He’s often confused with the flamboyant Edward Hyde, 3rd Earl of Clarendon, 1661 – 1723, who served as Governor of NY and NJ. Craig, having heard from you before, I’m going to hazard a guess that you’re thinking of the Charles Hyde who appeared as an old man in the 1790 census for SC. There’s a colonial reference to a “Charles Hide, planter of Lunenburg, Virginia” who may be the same man. There are several other Charles Hide/Hydes within about a 300 mile radius at that time, but I don’t want to confuse the issue. If you’ve discovered something in Hyde County, please let us know. The best person to contact is Tom, dochyde2020@hotmail.com as this is also his line.

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    • Tom Hyde’s information on this site is where I came up with Charles in Hyde County. I have not found anything on any Hyde’s in that county.

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• Still searching Della Hyde, daughter of Eugene Hyde of Toisnot Township, NC born 1881 died 1917. She’s the mom of my grandfather, Nick (John) Hyde born 1903 (1899) died 1981 in Durham, NC. Specifically: searching for the FATHER of Nick (John) Hyde and his siblings. Census records show Nick and siblings living with Eugene Hyde, their grandfather. Della’s name found on bastardy bonds during that time period. Just would love to know who my grandfather’s father was.

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• I am descended from Elizabeth Ann Hyde Battle sister of Catheryne Hyde. AKA Kanaka, ( Cherokee). So, from living on the Big Island, I knew that the word Kanaka, meant local Hawaiian, and as well. I have come up with a Polynesian marker in my DNA. The Kanaka name is coming down in the Little Carpenter line. Anyone else coming up with Polynesian ancestry?

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