To enter a new query about Hyde family history, click Leave a reply at the bottom of this page. To protect your privacy, we do not share email addresses with third parties.
Hyde Genealogy Association
An on-line community for Hyde genealogy researchers to exchange and preserve genealogical information.
117 comments
Hello! I am a descendent of Elijah Hyde (born 1754) who married as his 2nd wife, Rebecca Stark (born 1780). They were married and lived in Grand Isle, Vermont. Elijah died in Grand Isle in 1820. I am seeking documentation on their children, most specifically on their son Ahi Hyde (born 1811) who married Eliza Chamberlain (born 1816). They were married in 1836 in Chazy, New York. I am looking for a will for Elijah Hyde and birth records of his children with Rebecca Stark and any other pertinent documents/pictures. My line — Elijah Hyde – Ahi Hyde – John E. Hyde (married to Mary Z. Bullis) to their daughter, Lucy Gorham Hyde (who married George Leon Graham) to their daughter Dorothy Graham (my grandmother). Thank you!
Dori, at the bottom of our writeup on William Hyde of Norwich https://www.hydegenealogy.com/?page_id=619 is a link to the Hyde genealogy book on his descendants. Volume 1 pg 619 Elijah’s children with Rebecca Stark. The tree on Family Search is here, and you can click on “Sources” for specific documentation https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LVQ2-JXC – you’ll have to scroll to the bottom to find Rebecca Stark and his children, including Ahi. Cutter mentions Elijah in New England Families, Genealogical and Memorial: A Record…Vol 4. Wills for Grand Isle are not online, you’d need to go to a Family History Center and check the index for vols 1-4 to see what’s available https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/247086?availability=Family%20History%20Library or you could visit the Grand Isle Historical Society (scroll to view) https://vermonthistory.org/franklin-and-grand-isle-county-museum-directory Happy hunting!
I believe that I am descended from Henry Hyde who married Rebecca Warren. As far as I have been able to determine, Henry did not leave a Will, but Rebecca did (her will is on Ancestry at Ancestry.com – Tennessee, U.S., Wills and Probate Records, 1779-2008). In her Will, Rebecca mentions, directly or indirectly, 7 children – (1) Henry who predeceased her but left relict Polly, (2) Benjamin, (3) Richard, (4) Edmond, (5) Taswell, (6) John, and (7) Rebecca Hyde Stump. Henry Hyde and Rebecca Warren Hyde also had a son Jordan who predeceased Rebecca. Jordan left a Will in which he mentions his brothers Benjamin, Edmond, Richard and Taswell.
I can definitively trace my line going up to Carroll W. Hyde (married Ariana Alice Manlove) who I believe to be the son of Benjamin W. Hyde (son of Henry and Rebecca). All of our family lore and memory traces to Nashville and Henry Hyde, but I cannot tie Carroll to Benjamin with documents. In the 1820 and 1830 census, Benjamin did have a son of the right age to be Carroll. Benjamin’s wife was Amelia “Milly” Cherry and I do have DNA matches who trace to Amelia’s ancestors and then down a Cherry family line so I think that I have it right.
Does anyone have any documentary evidence for the Benjamin to Carroll connection? Anybody out there who is a confirmed descendant of another son of Benjamin or Henry Hyde who has taken an Ancestry DNA test?
Thanks,
Lisa Hyde Roach
A further note on Henry and Rebecca Hyde – Ancestry does have a copy of Rebecca’s will and it is indexed properly under her name as Rebecca Hyde, but the names of her sons are all transcribed as “Floyde” instead of Hyde. I have added corrections, but the search engine does not seem to pick up Rebecca’s will if you search for one of her sons.
Lisa – Henry Hyde and Rebecca Warren are part of the “Richard the Pirate” line, which I’ll be talking about in another few days when I respond to Traci. The problem is, to the best of my knowledge, Benjamin W Hyde and Emily “Milly” Cherry are not part of that line. I’m going to check because I think we have both paper and DNA showing they are two unrelated families. Let me take a look at Carroll.
Lisa – I reviewed, and Carroll is the son of Benjamin W Hyde and Emily “Milly” Cherry, and Benjamin is the son of Henry Hyde and Rebecca Warren, so you are part of the Richard the Pirate line. There are quite a few records on this family proving the connection. This line was professionally researched several decades ago, and appears on the internet in various forms, that will be part of the discussion. I suspect this is going to take longer than I initially anticipated.
I too am in the Carroll Hyde line. His son, Robert Owen, was my great grandfather. Just curious which child you are related through. I am currently looking for information about my great grandfather’s half sister, Margaret, who was born in 1863 to Arianna after his parents had divorced in 1860. Any information you might have would be appreciated.
Hello 3rd cousin! Carroll and Ariana were my great great grandparents, too, through their son Carroll and his son George Wellington Hyde my grandfather. While I have never been able to find an official divorce record for Carroll and Ariana, your question caused me to take a deep dive into this topic and it looks like Carroll and Ariana split up in July of 1859 when he conveyed a lot on Balch and Whiteside Place in Nashville to her. They were enumerated separately after that – with Carroll living in Nashville/Davidson County and Ariana in Robertson County – and Ariana was sued separately over a debt that she incurred. The only information that I can find specifically about Margaret is what appears in the 1870 census record. Margaret is unlikely to have been Carroll’s child and so I have removed her from the list of his children while adding a note about her. But I have doubts about whether she was Ariana’s child either despite her status of being “at home” which was usually reserved for family members. What is more likely is that Margaret (b.c.1863) was the child of a formerly enslaved person and might have been the child of Martha who, along with her child, was purchased by Ariana from the estate of her father Christopher Manlove in 1860. The 1860 Federal Census slave schedule lists A.A. Hyde as the enslaver of a female age 25 (likely Martha), a female age 7, a female age 5, and a male age 6 months (likely the child of Martha). I appreciate your inquiry, please let me know if you have any further questions.
Hello! I am just seeing this, but I appreciate your response. What you are describing certainly makes sense. I find it all very interesting, particularly about the divorce. As you know, people who actually might know are all gone now. My grandfather was Owen, who was one of the younger children of Robert. My mom had a couple of cousins who did quite a bit of genealogy research, but they are both gone now. She has told me that the one (Joe Lynn Youngblood) that did so much left his documents to the Robertson Co. archives, but I haven’t been by there to investigate. I really enjoyed reading about the Richard the Pirate line. As a side note, I believe that I remember your father visiting the family in Springfield when I was a little girl! Feel free to reach out with any interesting finds.
Hello global Hyde tribe, I’m late to this delving into ancestry as I relied on a cousins research which undertook meticulously pre internet searches. She went to Somerset House and toured Cheshire and Wiltshire. She established an extensive family tree back to Matthew de Hyde. The two hundred years1600 – 1800. I know William Hyde born in Stockport1795 my gggfather was the Rev in Donyatt and my ggggfatherEdward Francis Hyde born in 1855. ( one of 9 siblings) migrated to South Australia in 1868 and that my brother born in 1954 and his Thomas are the only male continuation of that line. Hamon Hyde as/Thomas/ Wiiliam Hyde during the 1600’s and 1700. I was given a signet ring which has the Hyde crest( griffin) the Hyde seal and a farewell silver mug from the parishioners of Donyatt 1760.Thankyou if you can comment on the above.
Candace – There’s quite a bit of documentation for the family of Rev William Hyde of Donyatt and his wife Emma Allen, and records of their son, Francis, in Australia (and possibly another son or a grandson, John). I imagine that your cousin’s research is pretty solid as they have all the visitations and other sources lined up in the libraries and local history centers in Cheshire and Wiltshire. This gives me an opportunity to talk about medieval Hyde lines, which I don’t get to do very often. Around the time HGA was started, we joined the Guild of One-Name Studies, and one of the goals was to discover the origins of the surname. For years, I’ve been comparing heralds’ visitations with extensive land and court records, mapping projects, wills, prosopographical studies, and the stories that these families told about their own origins in previous centuries. So here’s sort of a snapshot of where we are:
*
1. In 1889, Wilhelmina Powlett, Duchess of Cleveland, compiled The Battle Abbey Roll, which was a list of surnames with descriptions of those who came with William the Conqueror. The Hydes were mentioned, but Wilhelmina sniffed, “I very much doubt that this name has any right to be here, as it sounds like a local English one to me.” And – she was right. We’ll get into that in an origins issue after some of the other projects are complete.
*
2. Are there Hydes mentioned in the Domesday Book? Yes, Thomas de Hyde in the area that is Islington was mentioned. It’s not clear if he can be linked to later Hydes, but we’re working on it.
*
3. Did the Hydes really own Hyde Park in London? Yes. No. It’s Complicated.
*
4. Was there a great Hyde fortune? No, 19th-century newspaper stories were essentially an American misunderstanding of a British debt collection tactic. Debt collectors would place ads in newspapers announcing a search for a particular individual, or the heirs of that individual, suggesting there was a large sum of money waiting for them if they presented themselves at a particular place. If they showed up, they’d be presented with an invoice rather than a legacy. American newspapers knew nothing of this and reported rumors of fortune as fact. As a result, the origin stories of many American Hyde lines, including my own, were altered to reflect that we came “from England”.
*
5. How accurate are those medieval Hyde lines that go back to the year 1000 or so? Visitations were essentially self-reported. If you try to compare names and dates to actual records, there are plenty of discrepancies but the general outline is in the ballpark. The earliest traceable Hyde family appears in the papers of the second Earl of Pembroke, William Marshal, explaining that Roger de Hyde was in Ireland on “the King’s business”. We’ll cover this in the origins story.
*
6. Can Y-DNA tell us anything? Possibly. The thing to keep in mind is that when we look at medieval records, there are going to be a certain expected number of adoptions and NPEs, as well as at least two instances where men marrying Hyde heiresses took the surname of their wives, and one instance where the man kept his (non-Hyde) surname but his children appear to have taken the surname of their mother. So what we expect is that there will not be one particular genetic result, but instead several. Some of our Y-DNA test-takers are participating in the North Mercia Project, which Joe Flood and Dan C Hyde are working on, https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-a6093-north-mercia/about/background
Thank you so much for answering so many of my questions and raising others in my mind. If the accuracy of dates and names line up for the missing 150 years between Henry born 1601( son of Laurence and brother of Nicholas,Edward…and my gggwilliam Hyde of Donyatt) I can claim a continuous line.? At the same time I’ve learnt a lot and had a lot of fun getting this far, I might just take a break for awhile!
Hi there,
I am looking for information on Thomas Hyde of Annapolis, owner of Maryland Inn
And possibly tannery owner.
I would greatly appreciate any help.
I think Ann Sterling (name from above) mentioned she had some.
It would be great!
Thank you!
Not the same branch. My ancestors immigrated from England to Cayman Islands in 1830ties. Then to Bay Islands of Honduras…Island of Roatan to be specific. I was born there in 1945.
Hello again, Hyde Family! 🙂
Does anyone know if we’ve ever found out who the unborn child was that is mentioned in the will of Richard Hyde (1717-1762)? It sounds like his wife Mildred was due fairly soon in 1762? Thanks!
I have been attempting to find out my family lines through my grandmother on Ancestry. I can trace her mothers line pretty far however, I can not get past my great grandfather. My great grandfather was John Edward Hyde Born May 26, 1901 in Woolwich, England and died in 1977 Shepway, Kent, England. He married Olive L Dixon in July 1938 and they had 3 sons and one daughter. Don Hyde (England), Ted Hyde (Texas, USA), Wally Hyde (Australia), and my grandmother Jean Lilian Hyde. She married John Charles Gannaway and lived out her life in North Little Rock and Jacksonville, AR. Jean was born in 1934 and passed away in 2013. I would also love to know more about our family history and maybe meet or talk to some cousins. I also have a niece who is interested in this side of the family as well. Thank You in advance!
Julie –
*
Since you’re working in Ancestry, and Family Search doesn’t seem to have the originals you need, I’ll tailor my links to Ancestry. From John Edward Hyde’s birth index record I pulled the original baptism record, born 26 May, bap 14 Aug 1901, parents Henry and Margaret Hyde. Henry is an employee of the Royal Gun Factory in Woolwich. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1558/records/4945149?tid=199442125&pid=392609888127&ssrc=pt
*
Henry Hull Hyde married Margaret Allen in the parish church of Woolwich, Kent on 21 Dec 1872 https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1623/records/7464459?tid=&pid=&queryId=0673fe5b-28e3-4bbd-9561-a7dcbac9deea&_phsrc=HNp3229&_phstart=successSource Henry’s profession listed as gunner, Royal Artillery. His father is noted as William Hyde, farmer. Her father was noted as George Allen, butler. Woolwich is within the Royal Borough of Greenwich, Greater London.
*
Death Rec for Henry Hull Hyde of New Eltham https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1559/records/21812138?tid=199442125&pid=392609888487&ssrc=pt
*
1871 census for Margaret Allen, parents George and Mary J Allen. Margaret was born in Hilsea, a district in the city of Portsmouth, Hampshire, England. Margaret’s brother William was a gunner in the Royal Artillery and it’s probable that he knew her future husband Henry. Margaret’s father had been in the British Army and was born in Ireland. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7619/records/9572846?tid=&pid=&queryId=84d2c774-116a-444d-a385-47d0d5d2768b&_phsrc=HNp3273&_phstart=successSource
*
1881 census for George Allen showing that both he and wife Mary Jane were born in Lurgan, County Armagh, Ireland. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7572/records/7866443
*
Back to Henry and Margaret, in 1901 census, he is shown being born in Ireland, Margaret born in Hilsea, Hampshire, England. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7814/records/4360360?tid=&pid=&queryId=abb30620-f90f-43df-9da1-258e8034ce04&_phsrc=HNp3251&_phstart=successSource
*
John was not yet born when the 1901 census was taken, but he appears with his family in the 1911 census. Henry’s birthplace is noted as Portadown, Armagh, Ireland. census www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2352/records/4464343
*
Army record for Henry Hull Hyde, gunner in the 7th Brigade, Royal Regiment of Artillery, baptismal recs for two daughters. There should be full British army records for both Henry Hull Hyde and George Allen in Find My Past. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60931/records/150028094
*
As you work, Ancestry makes recommendations for other documents you can pull into the profiles you’re building. A few are correct. But it’s easy to pull in the wrong data, because, one example, there were three John Edward Hydes all born in England in 1901.
*
At some point you should switch over to Find My Past, because they have census, military and other British records that you won’t be able to pull up through Ancestry. You have an advantage in that you already know the particular towns in Ireland where your ancestors were born. The local libraries and history centers in those towns might have additional information that isn’t online. It’s important to find the 1881 census for Henry and Margaret, because their eldest child will still be living at home in this period.
*
PRONI – https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/campaigns/public-record-office-northern-ireland-proni Find My Past (paid subscription) has a summary of what Irish records are available on their site here https://www.findmypast.com/articles/irish-records-office-destruction/four-courts-destruction-what-was-lost#:~:text=On%20Friday%2030%20June%201922,under%20bombardment%20for%20two%20days and Family Search lists the following for Armagh, including helpful tips on beginning research – https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/County_Armagh,_Ireland_Genealogy
*
This branch of Hydes might have been plantationers who came from England or Scotland and settled in Ireland sometime between the 16th and 17th centuries.
Hi,
I am trying to find more information about my great great great great Grandfather, John Hyde. Here is a link to the burial records I know are accurate for him: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/203944663/john_hyde. His son, John John Taylor Hyde, Sr., is referenced in my grandmother’s work about her family. She is Carol Louise Hyde Wahl. Judge Hyde’s son, Jefferson Davis Hyde, is my grandmother’s grandfather, and he is buried alongside his wife, Grandma Alice (everyone calls her that, even though she’s been gone a long time), in the same cemetery as my grandmother. I am trying to find out more about John Hyde and his brother Benjamin, who is referenced in this work: https://tangledhistories.org/slavery/john-hyde-and-negro-frank/.
Grandma found information about the Hyde family she thinks we are descended from in England, but cannot connect the dots. If the information in the story about John Hyde and Frank is correct, that’s because she was searching in England and it sounds like we hail from Scotland/Ireland. Does anyone have any more information regarding John Hyde b. 1774?
Thank you for any guidance you can provide.
Shannon
Shannon –
Your grandmother is correct, Y DNA for members of this family indicate England, specifically a later English immigrant who was part the extended family of Puritan Humphrey Hides, see Myrtle Stevens Hyde’s paper on Humphrey https://www.hydegenealogy.com/?page_id=606 Note that there was enough genetic variance – since your ancestor did not descend directly from Humphrey himself but rather from a Hide cousin a number of times removed – that a new haplogroup was recently (technically yesterday) identified. It’s going to be several weeks before we know how these Hides are related to one another and we hope that other Hyde men will take Big Y to broaden our understanding. Our link to the paper on your ancestor, William Hyde (d 1745 PA) and his Orphans is here https://www.hydegenealogy.com/?page_id=2242
Hi Ann,
I am not sure if you have seen this before, but a professor at University of Pittsburgh sent me a link to an autobiography of John Hyde Braly (generation 5, born 1836). This is it: https://books.google.com/books?id=INcEAAAAIAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&pg=PA17&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false
On page 11, the author states his parents (Susannah Hyde #41) and John Eusebius Braly were both born in NC, 1805, of Scotch parentage. As with the tangled histories blog, the mention of Scotch heritage indicates that the Humphrey Hide cousin may have been removed from England for quite some time. Do we have any knowledge of Hydes in Scotland historically?
Thanks,
Shannon
Shannon-
There’s historical subtext behind general references to “Scotch parentage”. Parts of NC were settled by groups of German and Scots-Irish from Pennsylvania. Think of Braly’s use of “Scotch” as a blanket reference rather than specifically from Scotland, because in this case they weren’t. The Bralys came over from Ireland. The surname Braly, much like Hyde, has its earliest references in England. John Hyde Braly’s ancestors may have been Plantationers, and there seems to be consensus among Braly family historians that they came from County Antrim. The Braly family did not settle in Pennsylvania with the Hydes but came in through Carolina, settling initially in Iredell County, NC. My explanation would not be complete without mentioning that there were varying degrees of anti-Irish prejudice, extending from the early settlement of America up through part of the 20th century. I read an early 20th century autobiography of an American university president not long ago, who stressed his “Scotch” ancestry knowing that his ancestors were Irish. I used quotation marks because in current usage, the liquor is scotch and the ancestors are Scots or Scottish.
Hello again,
Is it possible that the line attributed to William Hyde of PA is actually fathered by John Hyde (Hide) born in 1722 in ? JH Hyde was born 1722 in CT, but died in Hanover, PA. Descendants have matched him and his wife, Mary Thompson (1733-1786), to all the children listed as the descendants of William. Could this line be misattributed?
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/155098717/person/432068169096/facts
Shannon
I’m not going to comment on particular trees that anyone puts up on Ancestry or wherever.
People put up lots of trees. What everyone needs to look for is the paper records that back up the assertions made in the tree. If there are no records, there’s no reason to believe that anything in the tree is accurate. If there are records supporting the assertions, are they consistent, i.e. do they cover the same individuals named, in geographically appropriate places, in the right time frames? Do they make sense?
*
When you say “descendants have matched [John Hyde b 1722] and his wife Mary Thompson to all the children…” are you talking about autosomal tests, like AncestryDNA, or 23andMe, or FTDNA’s Family Finder? Because autosomal tests don’t work the way that many people think they work. These tests are great at finding living relatives in a recent time frame, but they can’t provide results matching ancestors that lived a couple of centuries ago. We need a page about autosomal testing so people better understand its limitations.
*
Now, if you’re talking Y-DNA, that’s a different type of testing. Before I start explaining, let’s make sure we have the right subject. There was a John Hide who married Mary Thompson in Canterbury, CT on 18 April 1753. He was a direct descendant of Puritan Jonathan Hide (1626-1711, see our writeup under Hyde Family Lines) Now, according to William Henry Harrison Stowell, that John died 8 Jan 1765, see page 270 https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/1soUAAAAYAAJ?q=&gbpv=1#f=false *However* one of the pieces I’m working on with Steve Hyde deals with reinterpreting some of Stowells work and adding additional records that Stowell didn’t have access to at the time. And Lisa is working on this line as well, specifically John’s sons William and Wyllys, who appear in Luzerne County, PA. She may want to weigh in on this. What I can say is that John Hyde and Mary Thompson might or might not have had a son John, but whether they did or not, the John Hyde who married Catherine Rouse was unequivocally not the son of John Hyde and Mary Thompson. The John Hyde who married Catherine Rouse was also not a descendant of Puritans Jonathan Hyde or Humphrey Hides. That is provable both on paper and with DNA. To my mind, the paper is more important, but understanding how Y-DNA testing works is helpful.
*
The Hyde surname has been around in English records since about 1265 CE. (Technically it was first used as an individual identifier in the Domesday book, but that’s for another time.) It’s much more common in Britain and parts of Ireland than it is in America. A few men who came to America in the early 17th century to the mid 18th century share a common ancestor, possibly in a time frame that’s recent enough that we might be able to match paper to it. They were Puritans Jonathan Hyde and his brother Samuel https://www.hydegenealogy.com/?page_id=204 and Humphrey Hides https://www.hydegenealogy.com/?page_id=606 and, much more recently, William of PA who d 1745 https://www.hydegenealogy.com/?page_id=2242
*
So the thing to keep in mind about male-only Y DNA testing is, on a superficial level, DNA test results for these men will appear to be identical. Big Y can tell these lines apart. What we’re able to say about DNA results on our website is generalized because of privacy laws. But we can say that Puritans Jonathan and Samuel, and Humphrey, and later William who d 1745 all share a common ancestor in England. At present, it’s not clear when that ancestor lived – it may have been quite long ago.